Proof for the existence of an Intelligent Creator

Proof for the existence of an Intelligent Creator

Postby anders.branderud » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:42 pm

I hope you will find this text interesting.
According to science our universe (space-time) has a beginning (Read page 660 – 661 in the book “The future of theoretical physics and cosmology: celebrating Stephen Hawking”. The specific section is written by the cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of the Tufts university.)

It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause. Since space-time has a beginning there was a first physical occurrence. Causality requires that the first physical occurrence had a cause. Causality and the fact that space-time has a beginning implies that this Prime Cause is non-dimensional and independent of space-time.

To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Torah, see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Some of the text is a quote from www.netzarim.co.il)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.

The most common counter arguments are answered here: http://bloganders.blogspot.com/search/l ... 0arguments)

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Re: Proof for the existence of an Intelligent Creator

Postby Luke » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:56 pm

There is one large hole in your argument. Why would the Torah be valid over any other religious books?

If we work on the traditional Jewish assumption that Moses wrote the pentateuch, then he does not have first hand experience of events such as Noah's flood. The mention of Pharoah and Abraham shows that Egyptian civillization predated the writing down of the Torah by several millenia. Given that the Egyptians possessed writing, surely their work would be more accurate?

Laying the Torah issue aside, the "first cause" argument is problematic. It relies on the assumption of a being outside of the space/time continuum, which is only verifiable through deductive, not empirical reasoning. For myself, I believe this is the logical option. But this does not explain where did God come from, it simply ends with "he is".
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Re: Proof for the existence of an Intelligent Creator

Postby anders.branderud » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:35 pm

Hello Luke and sorry for a late reply!
You wrote:
“There is one large hole in your argument. Why would the Torah be valid over any other religious books?

If we work on the traditional Jewish assumption that Moses wrote the pentateuch, then he does not have first hand experience of events such as Noah's flood. The mention of Pharoah and Abraham shows that Egyptian civillization predated the writing down of the Torah by several millenia. Given that the Egyptians possessed writing, surely their work would be more accurate?

Laying the Torah issue aside, the "first cause" argument is problematic. It relies on the assumption of a being outside of the space/time continuum, which is only verifiable through deductive, not empirical reasoning. For myself, I believe this is the logical option. But this does not explain where did God come from, it simply ends with "he is".”


The premise was this: Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Some of the text is a quote from www.netzarim.co.il)

First we research to find out what is the age of homo sapiens according to science.
"The time needed for various regions cited in b?-Reishit? to achieve their respective populations would seem to corroborate a 2003 DNA study (geneticist Spencer Wells; American Journal of Human Genetics, 2003.09) that dates the DNA mutation that produced the first homo sapien to ca. B.C.E. 60,000, originating in what is now Ethiopia-Sudan. This region not only corroborates the general skin color of the first homo sapien as â•dâm? , the cognate of clay-red soil color, (...)

The first DNA homo sapien, dating from B.C.E. 60,000 , is far older than the Biblical •dâm? estimated to have lived only about 6,000 years ago (i.e., ca. B.C.E. 4131). This suggests that b?-Reishit?(“Genesis”) , rather than being a record of every generation from Âdâm? , is an oral proto-history that recorded only milestone paragons, skipping lesser important generations, from ca. B.C.E. 60,000, when man's language suddenly exploded and he began to recount his pre-writing history, up into the time of Avrâhâm? and his posterity—a period of about 55,000 years.”

Quote: http://bloganders.blogspot.com/2009/09/ ... story.html

The first humans described in Torah had some instructions (documented in the beginning of Torah) from the Creator to follow. Torah (in the beginning transmitted without writing) was developed with the start from Adam and Khava.
It is the most ancient set of instructions claiming to be the instructions of the Creator.

More than this:
The god Zeus in the greek mythology is mating with a human woman. Thus Zeus cannot be the non-dimensional and independent Prime Cause of time-space. The hindu gods are also depicted as physical (having heads for example) and thus the hindu religion cannot describe the instructions of the non-dimensional Creator.

The Viking gods are also physical. The Sumerian god “Enki” had incestuous affairs. Thus it is not non-dimensional and can impossible be the non-dimensional Prime Cause of time-space. The Christian and Islamic religions state that Torah is the word of the Creator, and Torah state that any prophet who removes/adds a mitzwah (commandment) to Torah is a false prophet. Thus Christianity and Islam fall on this, because both of them have added and removed mitzwot (“commandments”) from Torah. Yes, Islam says that Torah has been redacted, but there are no proofs of this. If not Torah is corrected, than the Islamic statements of Avraham, Mosheh and other personalities from Torah, lack foundations in history; which would make islam erronous. If Torah is correct, then Muhammed is a false prophet according to Torah.

If we work on the traditional Jewish assumption that Moses wrote the pentateuch, then he does not have first hand experience of events such as Noah's flood. The mention of Pharoah and Abraham shows that Egyptian civillization predated the writing down of the Torah by several millenia. Given that the Egyptians possessed writing, surely their work would be more accurate?


You are assuming that the historical record preserved in Torah would be inaccurate just because it was oral from the beginning. There is nothing that implies this. The flood described in Torah was a real (local) event: http://bloganders.blogspot.com/2009/10/ ... event.html

The Egyptian gods are physical, and thus cannot describe the non-dimensional Prime Cause of time-space.

Laying the Torah issue aside, the "first cause" argument is problematic. It relies on the assumption of a being outside of the space/time continuum, which is only verifiable through deductive, not empirical reasoning. For myself, I believe this is the logical option. But this does not explain where did God come from, it simply ends with "he is".


Deduction is a valid tool in scientific methodology. A non-dimensional Prime Cause independent of time-space does not need an origin.

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